Greetings, passengers. I'd like to ask: what can be compared in Russia to a german Meister? A Meister is someone with a qualification between a worker and engineer in a company, he has the basic knowledge from his origin job (electrician, metal worker, optics, chemicals, mainly) and has taken additional exams in law, accounting, work and personal organisation, which would qualify him as Meister Industrie (Industry, obviously). He's then something like a connection link between the upper (boss) and lower (workers) hierarchy, he receives references from the boss and organises his incoherent rambling in working plans for the workers, also, overlooks the processes and controls them. A Handwerksmeister (a guild master of trade: electro, metal, baker, painter, roofer, gunsmith, blacksmith, restorer, etc.) has same qualifications, except this title also qualifies the Handwerkmeister to found a own company and hire apprentices (both Meisters can qualify apprentices). Also, both titles also can replace the abitur, which allow them to enter a higher education facility (only based on their professional field). How would you call such professional in Russia and do you think, a Meister would find a decent employment in Russia? Or what would probably happen?
Meisters are also often confused with Masters and Bachelors (because it's the translation of Master in German and EU tried to call german and austrian Meisters Bachelor Professionals(CCI)) But Meister isn't a academic degree.
>>4666 We don't have such class i believe. But in each profession you will find some similar position like your "Meister". >do you think, a Meister would find a decent employment in Russia? Depends of your profession and qualification. And skills in Russian language, lol.
Some worker professions in Russia have levels (разряд) which are certificated. There is also Secondary Profesional Education system, which is in between Basic School Education and University Education. Employment rates usualy depend on specific of certain profession.
Мастер or прораб maybe? What's your professional area by the way? Russian knowledge is not always crucial, international companies are ok with English. >Or what would probably happen? The most common way is getting an alcohol addiction and disappointment in life.
>>4666 "птушник" http://lurkmore.to/%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A3%D0%97 these people have less respect than professional criminals. In Russia you either have higher education and sell crap, or you have none and steal the crap.
>>4680Ты по-ангельски хорошо понимаешь? Тебя про профессионалов спрашивали, а не про студентов вузиков. И насчет уважения ты не прав. Люди умеющие сделать что-либо всегда более уважаемые чем те кто способен только вызывать страх и омерзение.
>>4681 >Ты по-ангельски хорошо понимаешь? Тебя про профессионалов спрашивали, а не про студентов вузиков. Yes. Professionals get called "ptushnisks" too. Russian culture is heavily intertwined with prison culture, so manual laborers held very low, because anyone working hard seen as having weak willpower and cooperating with prison authorities. >И насчет уважения ты не прав. Люди умеющие сделать что-либо всегда более уважаемые чем те кто способен только вызывать страх и омерзение. Nope. Russians respect only force and chutzpah.
>>4680 >lurkmore
>>4686>Professionals get called "ptushnisks" tooНеважно как называть профессионала майстером или птушником, это вего лишь термины для одного и того же понятия, если он грамотно и профессионально выполняет свою работу. >prison culture>ProfessionalsТы только что поделил на 0.Pic related>Nope. Russians respect only force and chutzpah.Meh
>>4689 >он грамотно и профессионально выполняет свою работу. Russians cant do anything good. They are drunkards and criminals. Being born in Russia must be a punishment for sins in a past life.
>>4670 Sounds familiar. Although we don't have levels, we have various certificates, which can be aquired after (and sometimes during the apprenticeship) Apropos apprenticeship: >>4680 That was actually insightful. Basically, an "Auszubildender" or "Azubi" in Germany is your statistical PTU-goer, but it varies from a stupid or lazy ass up to a talented guy who has balls to put the long way up to the university. I must add, there are 3 type of schools in Germany which you can graduate from: 1. Middle school (ends with 9 classes, voluntary 10th class to achieve Real school graduation) 2. Real school: ticket to the master and technical schools. 3. Gymnasium, 12 classes: abitur or the ticket for studium. Look at the chartrelated, at least for technical jobs. As picked from the lurkmoar, it seems that Russians count the PTU as a school for retards (Sonderschule, we have them too) PTU equals Berufschule: the german working class see them as okay alternative for their children, especially, as the way up isn't obstructed, it's only direction that defines the way and experience on higher graduation. Schoolboys who only have praktika usually gets their experience during their job, but maybe i spent too much time earning (and spending) money. >>4672 My professional area is electrotechnics, i focused on electric drives and electronic control. But i'm the guy who organize and regulate stuff, mainly. Spending time on business trips with team, at least until recently. "Prorab" or "Brigadier" seems be quite correct, so far as concerning my occupation. Also, i can't believe in words that only badmouths certain etnics. Sounds like angry schoolboy to me.
>>4699 >My professional area is electrotechnics, i focused on electric drives and electronic control I think you should check Sinara group vacancies. They work in tight partnership with Siemens, the area is electric locomotives. Russians (at least depot workers) don't know shit about modern drives and control systems and how to fix and maintain them. And I think if you could read at least basic technical Russian, you'd be highly demanded. Sapsan amd Lastochka trains (Siemens Velaro and Desiro) are also maintained by foreign specialists, there's some info on the RZD site I guess. Anyway, why do you even bother looking for a job here?
>>4705 That's interesting, thanks for the hint. A darn good question, but honestly, i want to be needed as a specialist. I want to share with you something else than democratic european values, i want to be useful. I don't expect anything without hard work, but ungrateful hard work would be disappointing for me.
>>4711 Russia is in the state of increasing decline. All smart and capable people have long left Russia for all kind of places, including Germany. http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/eccentric-math-genius-ditches-russia-for-sweden/504076.html Moscow university professors drink vodka in front of students: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcUqKH52AqM You won't find here anyone to share anything with.
>>4711 >i want to be useful Story of my life.
>>4711 Its your life, man. Live it to your heart's content and don't listen to strange people on the Internet. You possibly won't ever encounter them, why bother? We may all be mad here. Well, I think the one persuading you against going to Russia is nuts. So, yeah. Good luck with whatever you do.
>>4714 >Well, I think the one persuading you against going to Russia is nuts. Nope. He just tells the truth. And if you suddenly get health problems, during visiting Russia, you'll have to be transported back to Germany, because Russian medicine can be described by the pic on the left. That is no joke, we literally have mold on the walls in a clinic.
>>4719 more images of russia http://park72.ru/?p=30549 on the left is a shower room in a hospital.
>>4719 The truth is, life may suck anywhere in the world. But you think it only accounts for Russia, find the worst examples on the Internet there are and extrapolate that to the whole country. You don't even care weather you are actually referencing trustworthy sources. Like, assuming that whatever happened on your youtube link actually was in Moscow University. Any proof, except 2 posts on the comments section from the same person? Nah. Well, have fun.
>>4725 Ivan, please, stop using English proxy. We all know you get 15 rubles for each post. >The truth is, life may suck anywhere in the world. What sucks in Germany would be high quality in Russia. >But you think it only accounts for Russia It accounts for countries with broken mentality. Russian society punishes success. Russians were brainwashed with non-materialist thinking and conditioned that any hard work would be taken by the state, so in effect Russians can't create material wealth. In a nutshell, Russians live to die. In the village parts of Russia, they will set your house on fire, if it looks better than average. >find the worst examples on the Internet there are and extrapolate that to the whole country. Outside of Moscow, Russia is a big "Potemkin Village". So these examples do represent the whole country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village >You don't even care weather you are actually referencing trustworthy sources. Like, assuming that whatever happened on your youtube link actually was in Moscow University. Yeah. It was Liberian uni. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z-vaflTW7IM#t=65 that must be Palestine.
>>4726 You are retard btw.
>>4727 >ceased using British proxy thank you, vatnik.
>>4728 Yep, retard.
>>4729 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2srn_ABKwkc
Mental disorders surely do present among Russians, as we can see by this thread.
>>4731 Yes. No sane person would associate himself with Russians or Russia. http://englishrussia.com/2014/10/05/donetsk-today/
Thank you for your answers, friends. Sadly, with appearance of ukrotrolls the thread turned to shit, (as expected from salo), so feel free to close it.
>>4733 I'm not Ukrainian. I've spent my whole life in Russia and have Russian citizenship, so I've all authority to criticize this deficient country.
this is how caring are russian people: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1e6_1412751167
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