Can you fuck off from my Ukraine, you bloody Mongols?
>Ukrainian citizens kills other ukrainian citizens
>fuck off from my Ukraine
>Chechnya, Dagestan, Ossetia, Abkhazia
WTF am i watching?
You have something like 30+ dead bodies. How much of them from Russia?
>Mariupol three killed, 13 injured
And indeed. Looks like your government have no idea who dies in Slaviansk. Funny.
You will be post this 9 guys everywhere? There is a lot other armed guys, you know...
Here few examples, if you're interested.
I don't think it's a subject for discussion.
As i said
>this 9 guys
They are group in same camo. On this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEZ5SjkroNQ
And they are not even all Russian citizens...
They are ukrainian citizens, right?
Wow, you found 4 citizens of from Russia. Good.
Now back to Mariupol. How much of them was Russian citizens?
>And they are not even all Russian citizens...
And? There are Russians in Slavyansk, it's obvious. They're acting like leading trained troops. The rest armed men are locals (mostly criminals, although today journalist saw a 14-15yo kid with AK).
Btw, ATO is in action right now. Let's hope all terrorists will be killed :3
>There are Russians in Slavyansk,
And how much? Ukrainians was in Chechnya, so what?
>They're acting like leading trained troops.
And? Сonscript army, you know.
>The rest armed men are locals
Like 95%, yes.
>14-15yo kid with AK
>Btw, ATO is in action right now.
Is it like third time for 7 days?
>Let's hope all terrorists will be killed :3
idc let's see how much spetsnaz GRU agents they will find.
>And how much?
100-500, by estimate. Nobody knows exact numbers.
>Like 95%, yes.
Does it matter? You asked me about Russians citizens, and I've answered. Even 1 moskal is enough.
>100-500, by estimate
100% legit information from clairvoyants
>Even 1 moskal is enough
You have few millions of them in Ukraine, you know...
>Does it matter?
As i said "Ukrainian citizens kills other ukrainian citizens".
And yes, again this 9 guys. It's boring.
You're delusional. Also today's photo, beard mean is still alive :3
Is affirmation "Ukrainian citizens kills other ukrainian citizens" not right?
>Also today's photo, beard mean is still alive
>Is affirmation "Ukrainian citizens kills other ukrainian citizens" not right?
People kill people... "Pro-Russian terrorists leading by Russian command and supported by elite Russian forces kill Ukrainian citizens" - this is my version.
Me. He's kawai :3
Indeed. We need more bloody terrorists here.
btw why there is no Ukrainian journalists?
And glorious peacekeepers of course.
Terrorists call them "provokers" and capture them as hostages, so they prefere to stay away from that shithole. Also listen this. Here are peaceful protesters
>ГРУ ГШ ВС РФ
Oh yes, this the same guys that "report to Moscow" with mobile phones, lol.
Looks like some of your "rebels" killed some civilian, indeed.
btw is your police found owner of all this shit?
They are killed few guys too. Or nobody don't give a fuck?
>Terrorists call them "provokers" and capture them as hostages, so they prefere to stay away from that shithole.
Lol, bbc have few english speaker journalists here. And the whole Ukraine cannot have no one? I lol'd.
>btw is your police found owner of all this shit?
Sure, it was Dmytro Yarosh, they found his business card :3
I'm asked about your police...
You asked about "owner of this shit", as far as I understand your broken rungrish.
Don't worry, I will protect you :3
How about no?
Fresh photo with beard man.
Unlimited Beard Works.
Enough beards to me for today.
Spetsura seized Konstantinovka.
RPG-30, new AKs, identical uniform.
Как же вы задрали то уже...
Это офигительныеные рассказы из википедии. Посмотри на год поступления на вооружение и прикинь сколько этих гранатомётов на Украине.
Вот тебе фото из Донецка
>29 May 2011
На ютубе есть видео, где они грузят эти гранатомёты в грузовик, с какого-то склада. Искать лень. Если тебе сильно надо - заморочусь. Но хватит эту лажу везде тыкать, как пруф хоть чего-то.
What about new AKs? And what about their behaviour? They act like well trained and experienced special forces.
And what about Strelkov?
>СБУ установила реальную личность так называемого представителя самообороны Донбасса Игоря Стрелкова
>Это (Стрелков, - ред.) полковник Игорь Всеволодович Гиркин. Это гражданин Российской Федерации, прописанный в Москве
>Ігор Всеволодович Гіркин. Він громадянин РФ, полковник. Народився 17 грудня 1970 року. Номер паспорта громадянина РФ: №4506460961, зареєстрований у Москві за адресою Шенкурський проїзд 8Б, кв. 136.
February 26 he moved to Simferopol, and February 27 Crimean parliament was seized by well trained guys, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkLz7wTB38c
I'm just wondering what excuses would you make up this time.
>СБУ установила реальную личность так называемого представителя самообороны Донбасса Игоря Стрелкова
>Это (Стрелков, - ред.) полковник Игорь Всеволодович Гиркин. Это гражданин Российской Федерации, прописанный в Москве
Ну они просто Шерлоки Холмсы, не иначе!
Конечно он спецназовец ГРУ и агент ФСБ. Послан Путиным лично.
>What about new AKs?
Это не "new AKs", это АК с пластиковыми цевьём и прикладом. Начали выпускать С 1986 года.
Yeah yeah. And what about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoO13Osf7lw ?
I think you will admit russian presence in this story only after Putin himself says that self-defence was backed up by russian army, like it was with Crimea.
You mongols are really dumb white trash.
>You mongols are really dumb white trash.
>За короткое время через дырку в заборе вынесли: 190 стволов стрелкового оружия, 44 гранатомета РПГ-26
>08 апреля 2002
ну ты понел.
Only in /int/!
"Hohlosrach" available for English speaking people, now!
It has been like that for a while on krautchan.
Here is interesting analysis from specialist.
>Журналист Павел Фельгенгауэр
>По образованию биолог, выпускник биологического факультета МГУ (1975), кандидат наук (1987). В качестве научного сотрудника Института биологии развития АН СССР занимался молекулярной биологией.После распада СССР ушёл в журналистику.
It's really hard to make discussion with mongols.
>>4466>It's really hard to make discussion with mongrels.
We're all your children, Sweden :3
What is wrong with tvrain?
Often it's like first channel, but with 180° direction.
1st channel is 100% bullshit. So rain is 0% bullshit?
This is how they're planning to make a referendum.
Из достоверных источников стало известно, что Бабая тяжело ранили буквально несколько часов назад.
We love you, Ukraine! It's Putin who's to blame
>OP - retard
Гет без картинки — пролюбленный гет.
Гет на доске 10p/day — для дураков.
Хай живе Вукраiна!
wypierdalać z Ukrainy ruskie KURWY !!!
>>4510 How about NO!1
>>4403Ну а США вам просто так помогает, конечно. Я ни разу не нашист, просто в этом мире никто ничего просто так не делает. Кроме глупцов, конечно же.
Рашкопитух закукорекол!(ПОТРЕБИТЕЛЬ БЫЛ ЗАПРЕЩЁН ДЛЯ ЭТОГО СТОЛБА)
Как вы достали со своей политотой, сил нет. Каждый свою страну к победе бы привел, посади его только на престол. Каждый лучше всех ситуацию в мире знает. Каждый знает, кого нужно расстреливать, а кого щадить для строительства светлого будущего. А теперь они еще и на моем /int/.
К победе над кем, извиняюсь?
Ох лол, да над кем угодно. Было бы чем меряться управлять.
Украинцы нагнут Россиюшку в два счетаи евроинтегрируются на правах Германии. Русские обязательно нагнут Украину, вернут Аляску, нагнут Америку, Евросоюз и вообще весь цивилизованный мир за год, причем даже не выходя из-за компьютера. Куда ни плюнь - везде интернет-герои, интернет-теоретики и интернет же политологи. Про диванный десант вообще промолчу.
P.S. То, что у Автобуса нет политоборды еще не значит, что политику нужно притаскивать на /int/. Идите на Ычан, там всегда таким рады засунуть банхаммер по самые помидоры
P.P.S. Ты меня прости, бро. Просто накипело, сил никаких нет. Майдан этот, психи с обеих сторон, мамочки, более кровожадные, чем сами бойцы. Достало.
Goddamnit, hohols, fix your shit or leave them be.
We have still have Syria and Gaza to worry about.
It's not our shit. You can help us to fix it. But you're greedy frau Ribentrop!
Oh don't worry, we will express our deep concern.
If you think we go guns blaring to trigger a ARMED conflict between superpowers...oh you, hohol, you really think you are that important, aren't you? As long it's far away, it doesn't bother us in slightest.
Maybe Russia invade you and we can say how ebil Russia is, or, maybe someday we just can't deny what Right Sector did in Slavyansk, no matter how journalists you kill, then we just go 180 and start talking how ebil Ukrainians are.
Slavs lose. And only this matters.
At least you could give us some weapons...
Go get them from cold Russian hands if you can.
We're really amused how Slavs kill each other, we don't even have to do anything! Please proceed.
But russians ain't slavs. They're fingols-mordva-ugric-cherchess-whatever.
You speak as if you were something better, Untermensch.
Now tear down that slavic statue with sword so we can put a McDonald's on its ruins.
>so we can put a McDonald's
t. butt buddy of America
Better lube up yourself.
Remember what happened right after 1991 with Russia.
As if the same didn't happen with us.
Again, guys? FUCK YOU. Normal Russians have already forgotten about you. The rest can be issued weapons, vodka and send to fight with anyone: with America, Germany, Ukraine, Russia itself - nobody cares. It's time to clean the gene pool
You made a business shark your president.
Right now, this seem to be a good idea, but all you achieve is debts, (overinvestment) inflation, unemployment (low personal cost), and then Ukraine turn a European nuclear waste deposit and industrial attachment with Murricans 'guarding' the Zone and missile sites.
Yeah, a bridgehead of democracy, fuck yeah.
Sucks to be you, Ukraine.
All your Nezalezhnost is worth a doormat at White House.
First of all, he isn't a shark, compared to other candidates. Second, we're at war now, who gives a fuck about depts and unemployment? Don't you understand that we're fighting for existing of this state? Today is important to deliver as much bullets/APCs/tanks/drones as we can.
Improvements would be on the way after we finish combat actions. It wouldn't matter if we lost.
If you were fighting for existance of Ukraine, you would be already in Rostov. Why are you not advancing? Why aren't you crushing Russian Army yet? Are these pesky poor-equipped rebels, women and children that hard to deal with?
>Why are you not advancing?
We actually are.
>Why aren't you crushing Russian Army yet? Are these pesky poor-equipped rebels, women and children that hard to deal with?
It seems like you have no idea what's going on.
So i have no idea... Well, do you, my Ukrainian friend? Do you know exactly what's going on? The news are very contradictory nowadays. Everyone just throws with shit on each other and bravely denies accusations.
>tfw Yatzenjuk resigned as prime minister
>tfw Rada gets disbanded
>tfw power vacuum
>tfw military tries violently to seize power
>tfw nationalist guard massacre protesting Ukrainians on Maidan.
>tfw Poroshenko packs up his money and leave Hohlostan in haste
>tfw oh the irony.
That feel when Germany spams your board with greentext shitposts and you cannot spam it back because you will have an instant ban for >tfw on KC.
Ban on KC for tfw? Pardon me, Russia.
Also, german mass media is retarded:
Radio SAW, 16:00, 29.07.14:
"Brussels now decides about sanctions against Russia because of supposed support for Donetsk separatists. They have been already proven effective , as the markets in Russia were negatively affected by them.
Though, German markets are affected by this too."
WHAT THE FUCK.
"We don't really know whether Russia is guilty, we just assume it and strike with sanctions. Yay, we HIT THEM HARD. We even forgot about enforcing peace in Donetsk by sanctions, WHEN WE DAMAGED THEM RUSSIAN MARKETS!
We also hit ourselves in the face with this, but meh."
Your economy highly dependent from the US. So nothing new here.
If Obama would in public bitchslap Merkel and going "do what i say", there would be public turmoil, protests and then it would be forgotten and everything will proceed as usual.
I'm bitter to admit, but German government are american lackeys.
I mean, look at espionage scandal. Merkels mobile was sniffed by the NSA, USA DID bitchslap her. Now it's all fine, we're all friends and friends don't spy on friends.
Fortunately, the ordinary Germans differ with this opinion, disregard the media.
>I'm bitter to admit, but German government are american lackeys.
Who doesn't? France and Italy - the same sort of servants. Poland + Baltic states - it's 100% lapdogs. England - little bitch of USA.
Other European countries it's political 0. Nobody don't even care what they are talking.
Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.
And all this countries "okay" with it. No matter what. Because such "alliance" with US pretty profitable.
Such life in modern world.
Stand your ground. Pax Americana nears its end. But the Dragon is on the rise.
Drinking, smoking and feel bad - there's Putin's fault in that.
Life seems to be too lame? It's the government to blame.
You're living like a drone? Must be doing of the Throne.
Hey, Russia, did you invade the Ukraine yet?
I somewhat have a feeling that i have to go to the military again, next year, against you. Would hate to shoot a fellow Anon from Russia.
>Hey, Russia, did you invade the Ukraine yet?
Unfortunately no. And looks like we will not.
>I somewhat have a feeling that i have to go to the military again, next year, against you.
Germans soldiers fight for the Poroshenko in Ukrainian civilian war? I lol'd. Never happens. Even if Russia will invade Ukraina - all that west will do - just will start new "cold war" (that Russia will lose obviously).
>Hey, Russia, did you invade the Ukraine yet?
Yes but shhh, don't tell anyone.
Yellow press here berserks around, as if russian tanks rattle with tracks just right outside of their editorial.
The problem is: the bydlo-Bernd reading Bild every morning is the majority of Germany.
They seem almost as excited by the Ukraine crisis, as America being invaded by communist cyborg zombies from outer space.
>Germans soldiers fight for the Poroshenko in Ukrainian civilian war? I lol'd. Never happens.
No, i mean look at Ukraine: it dances and prances in front of Russia: "come at me bro, invade me if you dare"
I must really pay respect to your president, how much cool he maintained so far (and hope he will endure it until the possibility arises)
Because, should Russia say something like "fuck it, they've gone too far" and invade Ukraine, the hohol grasps his ass and run very quickly, howling about his liberties to his american uncle.
Now, what happens next?
1. The whole world is pissed at Russia. While in russian TV the whole thing about sanctions is played down, one cannot deny what happened to Dobrolet (and what might happen to several other trade branches), so i guess Russia will have it hard, monetary AND resource-wise, as the russian suppliers must handle the demands of russian market first. Right now, i suppose, they can't do it entirely.
2. Someone gets a casus belli.
It may be Ukraine itself, so you get another Chechnya, slavic looking and russophone terrorists, which may even infiltrate the government and harm Russia for next 50 years.
It may be America - while distracted by ISIS, it could stage a campaign in Ukraine. If Russia hits the G.I.s, shit is going to hit the fan, globally.
Also, China would spectate and slay the weakened winner in this war.
So, basically Murrika will use the crisis to hold more military ground in Europe, against "russkies and sandniggers".
I, as a german reservist, must probably meet my overheating, bending, fragile soldier's wife, the G36 and fight again whoever our black american overlord throws against.
I hope it might be sandniggers.
Same was during 08.08.08 war. So it's just the same shit.
>No, i mean look at Ukraine: it dances and prances in front of Russia: "come at me bro, invade me if you dare"
Yep. But Ukrainian army is so weak that we can just supply rebels with weapons and volunteers. And it's will be enough for stopping Ukrainian operation without our army. Unfortunately like this all conflict will be continued many months.
>It may be Ukraine itself, so you get another Chechnya, slavic looking and russophone terrorists, which may even infiltrate the government and harm Russia for next 50 years.
If we will invade - it's will be more like in Georgia. Our army just will destroy all military potential of Ukraine and withdraw. After this will be negotiations about "federalization of Ukraine". Russia don't need new republics with big groups of "anti-russian population" inside Russian Federation. There is no point to join this regions.
Without Russian army result will be the same - with long civilian war and with more deaths actually. But more profitable for Russia in "diplomatic questions". Right now we are on this way.
>Also, China would spectate and slay the weakened winner in this war.
China will be "winner" in any scenario. Same as during "cold war".
>So, basically Murrika will use the crisis to hold more military ground in Europe, against "russkies and sandniggers".
Well NATO has no sense since USSR death. And now at least they are found "new" threat to the European security.
The problem with invading is that you will contradict the "Russia never attacks first" strategy. It may be sound absolutely and utterly retarded, but you will be agressors in any case - at least that's what the Western mass media is trying to tell us and they try it hard.
No matter what you say or do, they will always tell us that Russia is bad, as long it's deviant.
I'm not even saying strong, or admit i love you all, but in politics, it's not about love, it's about respect, as long as it doesn't turn in blind, weapon-drawn hate.
I respect you.
>The problem with invading is that you will contradict the "Russia never attacks first" strategy.
Putin said that "we will be protect Russian population" - many hundreds already dead. So we have sort of casus belli. But Russia just don't want to interfere in this civilian war (it's always big shit with no "good" or "bad" guys) directly with our army. And there is a lot of reasons.
> you will be aggressors in any case
We know it. We are still "attacked innocent Georgia". And we will be "guys who destroyed young democratic Ukraine". At least majority of western population just don't care about Ukraine and Georgia at all actually. So everyone will forget about it after a year or something like this.
>No matter what you say or do, they will always tell us that Russia is bad, as long it's deviant.
Yep. Actually it's the same here about USA. Because the same reasons. People like it. Reading about "bad ass guys" and about "glorious knights of freedom and peace" - it's like in good old tales. Ordinary people just don't like complicated things actually - such materials annoying and not so popular. tldr man.
And we all in the world living inside our propaganda during hundreds and thousands years. Nothing new.
At least there will be no new ww - thx to the nuclear weapons.
> don't want to interfere in this civilian war (it's always big shit with no "good" or "bad" guys) directly with our army.
"Openly", not "directly", obviously.
fixed for you
Are you an expat or a Russiaboo? All that edgy non-conformist manner, just like our hipsters, who care so much about what government says just to do the opposite.
>I must really pay respect to your president
for leading a proxy war, sending troops there and then bullshitting about them being lost? For God's sake, Germany, quit praising something that you have no idea about.
I mean no offense, it's cool when a foreigner likes something about Russia, but it's annoying when it's something that is in fact fucking lame.
>fixed for you
Still no proofs of our army here...
>sending troops there and then bullshitting about them being lost
Waiting proofs about "hundreds dead"!
And looks like Vietnam is a big mistake for USSR from your point of view, lol.
>looks like Vietnam is a big mistake for USSR from your point of view
Probably not, but it proves nothing. There were plenty of local conflicts where the side that USSR supported is still a pain in the ass for the whole world. Like Turkey in the 20's or North Korea in 50's. Pic sorta related.
Anyway, I am not arguing about geopolitics, many country made ugly things. But I bet Li Si Tsyn pilots were not fooled about their destination, like "hey guys, we are gonna do some training in Vladivostok" and then suddenly they are in Vietnam. That's the difference.
>pain in the ass for the whole world
"the whole world" cares only about himself. All countries is arrogant and hypocritical shit actually.
>But I bet Li Si Tsyn pilots were not fooled about their destination
They was lol. This is how all secret mission of USSR worked. Message "We are going to war" was given to them nearly border.
>"hey guys, we are gonna do some training in Vladivostok" and then suddenly they are in Vietnam
Actually it's was almost like this.
>"the whole world" cares only about himself
I mean, "the whole world" includes USSR/Russia too. Like we helped Turkey to kick out Greek army so the Cevre treaty was annulled. Years passed, and we got a bydlo Muslim country with NATO missiles at our borders instead of nice qt Armenia and Kurdistan. Serves us right lol.
Most of it is, but the very depiction of feels when you reestimate your country's role in history is pretty accurate.
Look, my ukrainian friend, if i were a Russian president, i would invade Ukraine at once and would not give a fuck about any Western prostests and/or sanctions.
Just like China rapes Tibet oppositionists and noone gives a flying fuck, since it's China and were are hooked on its money. Also, Merkel knew that and she had the chance to criticise China.
She could have sanctioned American companies in Germany, when it turned out her fucking mobile was listened over by CIA.
Also, she let grass grow over the issue. We're all partners, after all... Das Volk raged and calmed eventually down.
What a pussy, literally.
Before the Maidan, Victoria "fuck the EU" Nuland was actively spreading bakery and ideas of democracy, freedums and shrieking eagles, with her fellow comrade John McCaine.
It's like Lavrow would travel to U.S. and started handing over russian propaganda handouts.
Now, we have this crisis. Why should the West care about Ukraine? It is a much needed apple of discord.
Turkey is been seducing Europe to take them in the Union. What i see now, the Ukrainian junta was been acknowledged as a legitimate government (Jazenuk, wossname, that guy with Hitler salute, is your fucking minister president, but he needed both hands in Rada, to vote on empty seat of his absent neighbour) in record time and will probably be as fast in NATO, if not even in EU.
Suddenly, "meh-who-cares-Europe" developed a burning desire for justice against ebil Russia, (turning two blind eyes on Right Sector and SS runes on Maidan) who just secured their Black Sea fleet while Ukraine fell apart, thus, securing their international interests without a single shot.
Well, Donbass, Krasnoyarsk wished, accordingly to international law, a separation from Ukraine.
It's their right. And it turned suddenly illegal by EU, who ignored the junta taking over the Kiew.
I could present you a fuckload of quotes, reports, images and videos, that would prove that the politic of Putin is the lesser evil against shit that happens in Ukraine.
For what i saw in Internet, confirmed it trice it wasn't a photoshop or staging and then, saw how everything was either ignored, muted or misinterpreted the obvious by German media, i started seriously to doubt if Putin was the evil we get presented in TV, newspapers or news sites.
It don't even need to be a expat or Russiaboo to be disgusted by Ukrainian government, to express it mildly.
Ironically, I am Russian. I only had a Ukrainian great-grandmother lol.
>the politic of Putin is the lesser evil against shit that happens in Ukraine
>Maidan: 100+ casualties
>Donbass: 5000+ casualties and continues to grow, also shitload of refugees in both Russia and Central/Western Ukraine
inb4 more people die in car collisions every day
>a separation from Ukraine. It's their right
They didn't form an ethnicity, they can fuck off to Russia if they want, except we have enough gopniks here even without them. If your dumkopfs didn't recognise Kosovo, they wouldn't even opened their mouth about "independence". It sucks to feel yourself a new Albanian.
Look, I have been to "rural" areas of Czech Republic and assume that Germany is pretty much the same, so tell you what, in your worst nightmares you cannot imagine how fucking depressing live in those ramshackle Donbass towns is. If they have a slightest opportunity to change their routine, they would use it, not because they were "oppressed". Like, y'know, people who would have drunken themselves to death or start a fight out of boredom.
Also, I cannot understand people who worship a politician with a firm arm and a big dick whatever nationality he has - Russian, American, or German. So weird that you are one of those people and hate Hitler at the same time. Even more weird that you are so colour-blind and fail to see that there lots of Russian Neo-Nazis fighting for "Novorussia", including Pavel "Ded Moroz" Gubarev. They are literally scum of the scum, even worse then your Neo-Nazis.
>"Pro Russian" evil dictator: 100+ casualties
>Pro westerner democratic president: 5000+
> they can fuck off to Russia if they want
And why the hell they are must to leave their land?
> If they have a slightest opportunity to change their routine, they would use it, not because they were "oppressed". Like, y'know, people who would have drunken themselves to death or start a fight out of boredom.
So "Maidan" happens because of "boredom". Okay.
> lots of Russian Neo-Nazis fighting for "Novorussia"
With Russian monarchists, communists, some other "ists". Together with Chechens, Osetians, Abkhazians, French and many other volunteers. Strong nazi, i see.
>implying I support Maidan
Well, if a folk needs a steam valve to be opened once in 10 years, why not? They just got one sort of shit replaced with another, with almost no blood. (Though some of my Kievan acquaintances claim that Yatsenuk made some nice reforms that simplified some juridical procedures in small business, so it's a slightly better sort of shit). Why should those eastern fuckers go full mad immediately, before the new government even managed to do something? Couldn't they wait a fucking year and then decide if it good or bad?
inb4 language reform, they tried to do it a month before shit hit the fan.
>Strong nazi, i see
Just like Right sector with its meager 0,9% support. I just wanted to point out to that German anon that this Nazi reductionism is foolish, because both sides are so non-uniform.
>Well, if a folk needs a steam valve to be opened once in 10 years, why not?
And why folks from Donbass have no right to do the same?
>with almost no blood
Just because Yanuk allow them to do this like that.
>Why should those eastern fuckers go full mad immediately, before the new government even managed to do something? Couldn't they wait a fucking year and then decide if it good or bad?
And why the fuck they are should be "okay" with new government?
Some mob came and changed ruler and laws just because they are could. This is not how big "state" works.
Now any mob can do whatever they want. Because "Why not?" laws just don't working in this "state".
>And why folks from Donbass have no right to do the same?
They had had "their" head of state for 4 years. In my book they could have waited a bit before freaking out. Also, they could have voted 100% for Dobkin just to make Maidan activists butthurt.
>Some mob came and changed ruler and laws just because they could
We had the same shit in 1993. Imagine some republics apart from Chechnya decided to continue that damn festival.
>They had had "their" head of state for 4 years.
That was democratic elections, lol.
> In my book they could have waited a bit before freaking out.
They are should w8 until new government will not take under control police and army. Sure.
> Also, they could have voted 100% for Dobkin just to make Maidan activists butthurt.
To w8 elections when you can just take power? Why?
>We had the same shit in 1993. Imagine some republics apart from Chechnya decided to continue that damn festival.
We had the same shit in 1991. Imagine Gorbachev decide to start civilian war.
Just a remainder:
1. First some hipsters gathered to support association with EU, then they got the crap beaten out of them literally for nothing. Could you name me a similar aggressive act from interim govt that made Donbass rise?
2. Yanuk let the rebels kick him out of Ukraine, so no (almost) blood was spilt. "Junta" let Crimea depart, and also no blood was spilt. Don't you think it's an honest change?
That feel when a discussion (and probably the conflict too) boils down to "no you" arguments from both sides.
Also, why do you keep putting an auxiliary verb before a modal verb? Not a Grammar Nazi, and my English is far from perfect, but it starts to annoy me.
>Could you name me a similar aggressive act from interim govt that made Donbass rise?
>Don't you think it's an honest change?
And why Donbass population should care about Crimea?
>That feel when a discussion (and probably the conflict too) boils down to "no you" arguments from both sides.
This is how politics works.
>why do you keep putting an auxiliary verb before a modal verb?
>Implying i know English grammar
You can try to fix my English. But it will take long time i believe.
Can you fuck of from my Ukraine, you bloody banderivets?
>Saging an uppermost thread
So typical for Pro-Russian Ukrainians.
Sage is emotional aspect, silly.
sage is used for not ageru-ing the thread and thats it
there was some good stuff on northpole like "love" and "rage" checkboxes, but northpole is down :(
I would sage this thread even if this board didn't had sage function. Just that you knew how I feel about it.
It's not about moving thread up or down, it's about sending a message.
>it's about sending a message
i kinda understand what sort of message it is
Ok, now I know about this board everything I need to know about it. Wasn't a pleasure to talk with you. Checking this board was a mistake and a waste of time.
can you point out for me what exactly i was arguing? xD
protip: you can't
point still stands: using sage as emotional thing is misusing and kodomoppoi
>Checking this board was a mistake and a waste of time
>can you point out for me what exactly i was arguing?
That was irony, retard.
>using sage as emotional thing is misusing and kodomoppoi
WTF am i reading?
>>Could you name me a similar aggressive act from interim govt that made Donbass rise?
Don't be absurd. Maidan for Donbass = change of Yanuk's mind about association treaty. Causes butthurt, but not revolt. Berkut beating the crap out of people in November = ?
>Berkut beating the crap out of people in November
This is not an excuse.
>Maidan for Donbass = change of Yanuk's mind about association treaty.
"Maidan" it's coup d'etat by angry mob.
Looks like you didn't get the message, guys. I wasn't trying to find excuses for any side, I was drawing parallels. My message is that the Maidan-Donbass happenings analogy is lame, because in Donetsk there were not any event that was the last straw. They are either extreme slowpokes or just believed in fairy tales that our beloved television told them.
I mean, it's like a phase transition from protests to armed insurgency. There always should be some continuous heat flow from outside, sawy?
>because in Donetsk there were not any event that was the last straw
So coup d'etat with dozens dead police members and hundred injured. All this retards "Sashko Bily" style. And etc - it's all not enough for you, right?
>a phase transition from protests to armed insurgency
Coup d'etat -> Protests -> "New government" ignoring protests + Arrests leaders of protests -> More Protests -> Odessa happening -> Armed protesters -> Army was send to the east -> First shots -> More shots -> Artillery, tanks, aviation, etc.
Devil in details, you see.
>>dozens dead police members
>13 killed and that includes anti-maidan civilians vs. 100 killed insurgents
And yes, there were some protests in Donbass but they calmed down in a week or two.
He was killed on 24 March. Also, Ukrainian Home Office began pressing the whole Right sector. And he was more like a marauder posing as a revolutionary and a scarecrow for Russian audience.
Your timeline is very inaccurate. Happenings began in Donbass on like 5-10 April, before Odessa, and that's why those hooligans overreacted seeing someone allegedly trying to bring happenings there (which doesn't justify the arsonists, ofc), not the other way round.
Once again: I think that those people on Maidan died almost for nothing. But OK, that happened and the atmosphere chilled down a bit, the new govt called for elections (which very fact making the "junta" nickname absurd), and started to make more or less retarded laws just like the former one. They went on with all that HURR DURR UKRAINE STRONG rhetorics but in fact got rid of odious "revolutionaries". Well, a shitty situation, but no worse than before. Why can't those protesters make something more constructive than squatting buildings with some scum like Gubarev for leader?
Also, even that thread started before Odessa.
>13 killed and that includes anti-maidan civilians vs. 100 killed insurgents
>МВС України повідомляє, що кількість загиблих співробітників правоохоронних органів під час сутичок у Києві збільшилася до 16 осіб.
>"130 працівників органів внутрішніх справ доставлено в медзаклади з вогнепальними пораненнями. Всього ж з 18 лютого за медичною допомогою звернулися 565 працівників органів внутрішніх справ, з них 410 - госпіталізовані
>And yes, there were some protests in Donbass but they calmed down in a week or two.
And dozens other video and news.
What do you call exactly "happenings"?
2 dead people in Kharkov 15 march - it's not "happenings", right?
>Why can't those protesters make something more constructive than squatting buildings with some scum like Gubarev for leader?
Because they are angry mob, that's why. Like "Maidan revolutionaries" was another angry mob.
There is no much common sense in both mobs. Just emotions.
Donbas occupants are not proper citizens. They don't want to learn language and were moved there from Russia by Russian government, when original Ukrainians were genocided or displaced.
It is as if Germany invaded Novgorod, genocided its population and replaced repopulated with Germans.
>>4678Tell me moar.
In a few years, I hope to see such posters on the territory of former Russia, so I'll have a chance to report you to my local NATO MP.
>>4684> I hope to see such posters on the territory of former RussiaЯ гарантирую что на то же самое будут надеяться твои дети, внуки, правнуки (если, конечно, у тебя есть девушка). Надежда ведь умирает последней.Держи саундтрек к своим надеждам.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-Zex_KW7es
The fact I want Russia dead is already a huge progress, because my parents are patriots and grandfather was a hero of USSR. I.e. the families of diehard patriots produce children that despise Russia and will happily kill other patriots. This show that Putin's propaganda doesn't work.
If you don't belive me, here is my grandpa
he explained nicely how he got his hero star. Basically a lot of licking and sucking. I'm ashamed of him.
>moved there from Russia by Russian government,
Дык Донбасс и был Россией всегда. С какого перепугу не населённое пространство Украина считает "исторически своим" - загадка. При том что сами "украинцы" там появились только в результате иммиграции из Польши, лол.
>when original Ukrainians were genocided or displaced
Но от этого не осталось никаких документов. От всех "геноцидов" и "переселений" - остались. А тут - нет. Мистика прямо. Жидомоскальский заговор, не иначе.
Что несёт - вообще офигеть.
>Дык Донбасс и был Россией всегда.
Nope. Donbass was Ukrainian. The Russians there are the result of repopulation of territory by Tzar and commies. Similar to Russians in Chechnya, Lithuania Latvia and Estonia. I wonder when Baltids begin cleaning their territory from the useless ever-drunken occupants
>Но от этого не осталось никаких документов. От всех "геноцидов" и "переселений" - остались. А тут - нет. Мистика прямо. Жидомоскальский заговор, не иначе.
>Donbass was Ukrainian.
И сколько же там жило этих самых "Ukrainian" под управлением крымского хана?
Крайне увлекательно. Такие то архивные документы.
>под управлением крымского хана?
>Крайне увлекательно. Такие то архивные документы.
Yeah-yeah. Wikipedia citations are soulless, judeomasonic and unorthodox. We know already.
Зачем кидать мне некую языковую статистику?
Yes. And other part of Ukraine was occupied by Poland. So what?
>И сколько же там жило этих самых "Ukrainian" под управлением крымского хана?
>И сколько же там жило этих самых "Ukrainian" под управлением польского пана?
Под конец 18-го века на территории киевского воеводства проживала порядка 500тыс. человек. Но это и поляки, и украинцы, и русские.
Для более точных раскладов надо в польских архивах рыться, а это раздражает.
Ответ хоть какой-нибудь на мой вопрос будет?
Я тебе напомню, что Россия впервые аннексировала Крым, напав тогда на Турцию, защищая там украинцев, которые вдруг стали русскими:
>Россия впервые аннексировала Крым, напав тогда на Турцию, защищая там украинцев
Эмм... Мы с ними вели боевые действия постоянно с момента кончины золотой орды. Они набеги аж до Москвы устраивали. При чём здесь Украина - загадка.
>которые вдруг стали русскими
А когда их не считали русскими?
>А когда их не считали русскими?
Never. Ukrainians never spoke Russian, have different ethnic traditions and genetic makeup.
> Ukrainians never spoke Russian
Офигительные истории. А вот господин Хмельницкий называл свой народь русью, церковь свою русской, ну и правителя просил из своих избирать. Ну из русских. Зрада ли это?
На каком языке он призывает?
Ну это письмо польскому королю, от его подданного, так что прозреваю - на польском. В любом случае это перевод, как ты видишь. Ну и разговорные языки приблизились к тому, что писали только к концу 18 в.
Письма его есть на западнорусском диалекте, на русском и на польском, вроде. К крымскому хану не знаю на каком языке были. Но не удивлюсь, если на татарском.
>разговорные языки приблизились к тому, что писали только к концу 18 в.
Письма его есть на западнорусском диалекте, на русском и на польском, вроде.
Keep inventing history.
Значит по существу сказать нечего. Ок.
Значит по существу сказать нечего. Ок.
Inb4 "omg russian schoolbooks" butthurt
>to have ancestors from the army of the glorious Genghis Khan
As though it's something bad.
Да здравствует свободный Курбыкистан!
The sheer stupidity of most of these Russian posts is laughable. No one outside of Russia is stupid enough to think that Ukraine is having an 'internal conflict' or 'civil war.'
Why are you reviving a two-and-a-half years old thread? Are you a necrophile?
He wants to restart hohlosrach on the dead board. Of course he is a necrophile.
> no 'internal conflict' or 'civil war.'
except there is
or was >_>
i stopped caring somewhere around the end of 2014
> proofs ?
just go there and see for yourself lol
> but these are putin warriors or whatever
at least some of them do it for free
Я? Монголоидом быть?
Что такое "caucausus" знаешь, да же?